On Sat, 17 May 2008 20:15:59 -0400, "RJA" <rja@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>news:qdtq24tk18dj5cblqd296v0rigi53l7bai@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:49:31 -0400, "RJA" <rja@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Dan Szymborski" <dan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:MPG.22954f7c19191e9c98971c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> In article <482a534a$0$12906$4c368faf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>>> rja@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>>>>> <spr272000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>
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>>>>> > while the reds continue to play patterson and his below .200
average,
>>>>> > jay bruce is batting in the .340's at AAA.. can anyone give me an
>>>>> > explanation for such ignorance ? I thought the reason that
hamilton
>>>>> > was traded is because bruce was ready to play with the big club.
you
>>>>> > would think that the new GM would have made the move right away.
the
>>>>> > whole organisation can't be stupid, there has to be some
explanation
>>>>> > for this. did bruce have problems with defense in spring training
? I
>>>>> > know that baker likes patterson, but that can't be all there is to
>>>>> > it.
>>>>> > if I were the owner of the reds I would tell baker that patterson
>>>>> > goes
>>>>> > or you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it Ron or Dan who usually gives us the predicted stats for a guy
>>>>> coming
>>>>> out of the minors into the show? What would that be for Bruce, and
>>>>> what
>>>>> was
>>>>> it for Votto's rookie year? How about last year's rookie of the
year
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> Braun?
>>>>
>>>> That would be me.
>>>>
>>>> Votto's definitely hitting for more power than ZiPS expected, I had
him
>>>> projected at 281/357/466. I released a tool for in-season
projections a
>>>> while back and now have Votto at 283/361/476 for the rest of the
year.
>>>>
>>>> Braun was a miss. Easy to see why. He hit 289/357/514 splitting the
>>>> year between High-A and AA so my 262/321/440 projection for 2007
wasn't
>>>> really all that mean. Of course, he absolutely exploded, hitting
>>>> 342/418/701 for Nashville and we all know what he did in the majors.
>>>> Even surprised the Brewers who really liked him already - they were
>>>> actually scrambling when it became clear that Corey Koskie wasn't
going
>>>> to be OK and trying to use Tony Graffanino as a fill-in. Turns out
the
>>>> Graffanino/Counsell mess didn't last too long.
>>>>
>>>> I had Bruce projected at 266/317/476. He translates as 282/317/496
at
>>>> the moment, so if he's promoted, I hope people aren't disappointed
he's
>>>> just a really, really good centerfielder at this moment and not Mays.
>>>
>>>Hmmm........I don't know. That seems awfully conservative for a guy
>>>hitting
>>>.366 in triple A. Of course, we all remember Brandon Larson.
>>
>> No matter how hard we try to forget.
>
>Doc Rogers, previously assistant GM to Leather Pants does the post game
talk
>show now, and a lot of the things that he says are very interesting. He
has
>pretty much said that the Reds, even when they didn't have any talent in
the
>minors, did a lot of "marketing" which led us to believe that they did.
All
>those pitchers that never became anything..........Howington, Aramboles,
>Gruler, and then your position players like Larson, Kearns (who now we
know
>was just marketing), etc.
Well, maybe you left something out, but saying all they did was market
those guys is more than a bit disingenuous. Kearns had some ML success
and Larson certainly demolished AAA pitching many times. I mean, it
isn't like we thought Juan Castro was a legit player or something.
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"Courage, the footstool of the Virtues, upon
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