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Re: jay bruce

by "RJA" <rja@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 20, 2008 at 07:42 PM

"David Short" <David.NO.Short@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "RJA" <rja@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> "Kevin McClave" <kmcclaveSPAM DIES@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:34:05 -0400, "David Short"
>>>>"RJA" <rja@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>> "David Short" <David.No.Short@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>>>>>> "RJA" <rja@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>>> players like Kearns (who now we know was just marketing), etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At one time Kearns was just a touch below where Jay Bruce is right
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>> Sometimes things just don't work out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure about that?  Looking at his numbers, he did very well
in
>>>>> A-ball, but that's about it before being called up in 2002.  Pretty
>>>>> consistent with that "marketing" thing.
>>>>
>>>>Kearns got hurt in 01. I know everybody in Dayton thought the reason 
>>>>Dunn
>>>>was called up before Austin was the injury. I know there are other
folks
>>>>who
>>>>feel differently. When Adam came up and people noted on his success,
he
>>>>regularly gave credit to Kearns as the better player.
>>>
>>> And he was wrong.
>>
>> If everyone in Dayton thought that, then I'd have to question their 
>> logic.
>
> Ask around town, Rich. Who had the best season as a dragon. I'll bet at
> least half of the folks who answer the question coherently will tell you
> Kearns. He had a magical, unworldly year.

I think I cited his one good year in A-ball, I just don't think it should
be 
a surprise that the guy with the better overall minor league numbers would

have been called up first, unless those who were surprised weren't looking

at the big picture.

>> Dunn was murdering the ball at all levels of minor league baseball.
>> Kearns had one good year in A-Ball.  To think that Kearns was better or
>> more deserving than Dunn simply indicates that nobody looked at the 
>> stats.
>> Here they are:
>>
>> http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=4199
>
> Again, Kearns got hurt in 01. You've got three years where they shared
> outfield slots.
> Kearns was better in Billings. Dunn was better in Rockford. Kearns was
> unworldly good in Dayton. As good as Jay Bruce was here? Kearns had 
> another
> 100 points of OPS. The next year, Kearns got hurt and Dunn was called
up.
>
> Just for fun I took down the 01 Baseball Prospectus and looked at the
> prospect rankings.
> Kearns and Dunn are there at 24 and 25 with Dunn in front of Kearns. So,
I
> guess I'll just drop my point.

Where they're ranked isn't that big of a deal to me.  Homer Bailey was
also 
rated as the Reds #1 pitching prospect.  That's not turning out to be the 
case.  I'm just looking at the numbers and they don't seem to indicate
that 
Kearns was a better player than Dunn, especially when you consider what
they 
did at higher levels in the minors.  It looks more to me like Dunn was way

ready and Kearns was rushed.
 




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spr272000@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-12 18:20:30 
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Tuff Gong <no.spam@[EM  2008-05-12 20:38:23 
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tom dunne <dunnetg@[EM  2008-05-12 18:41:02 
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Dan Szymborski <dan@[E  2008-05-13 08:27:34 
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"John" <ajsh  2008-05-14 22:29:11 
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spr272000@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-12 21:36:52 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-13 19:40:42 
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tom dunne <dunnetg@[EM  2008-05-13 06:36:15 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-13 22:50:06 
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Dan Szymborski <dan@[E  2008-05-14 20:36:31 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-15 09:19:00 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-15 19:39:47 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-16 07:53:13 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-17 20:17:51 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-17 22:11:34 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-15 19:49:31 
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Dan Szymborski <dan@[E  2008-05-15 20:11:21 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-15 22:10:48 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-16 07:53:44 
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"Stebain" <s  2008-05-16 09:19:19 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-16 09:57:44 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-17 20:15:59 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-17 22:14:08 
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"David Short" &  2008-05-18 18:31:53 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-18 20:12:12 
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"David Short" &  2008-05-18 20:34:05 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-18 23:55:36 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-19 18:50:19 
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"David Short" &  2008-05-20 00:11:49 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-20 06:08:12 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-20 19:46:12 
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John Kasupski <kc2hmz@  2008-05-21 21:37:10 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-21 23:45:35 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-20 19:42:11 
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Ron Johnson <johnson@[  2008-05-13 23:46:47 
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Dan Szymborski <dan@[E  2008-05-14 21:29:45 
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Ron Johnson <johnson@[  2008-05-14 22:01:20 
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John Kasupski <kc2hmz@  2008-05-15 05:42:46 
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Ron Johnson <johnson@[  2008-05-16 11:34:42 
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Ron Johnson <johnson@[  2008-05-19 03:47:07 
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Kevin McClave <kmcclav  2008-05-19 12:10:52 
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"Bob Braun" <  2008-05-19 19:39:34 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-19 20:12:04 
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"Bob Braun" <  2008-05-19 22:25:43 
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"David Short" &  2008-05-19 23:35:48 
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"RJA" <rja@[  2008-05-20 19:37:20 
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Ron Johnson <johnson@[  2008-05-21 09:46:28 

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