Re: Let the Trevor ba****ng begin

On Apr 3, 1:19=A0pm, Dano <dcashm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 3, 11:10 am, "Kurgan Gringioni." <kgringi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 3, 7:33 am, "Jolly Rogers" <jollyrog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > "Kurgan Gringioni." <kgringi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >> HoF, yes.
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> > > greatest closer of all time? No way. He hasn't performed well in the
> > > biggest games. He's got the most saves, but doesn't do well in
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> > > games. Career for postseason is 1 wins 2 losses, 3.46 ERA, 4 saves.
> > > Also did poorly in last year's ender vs. the Rockies which was
> > > basically a playoff game. His playoff ERA is Got rocked in the
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> > > showdown vs. Mariano Rivera which was basically a playoff game since
> > > it determines home field advantage for the World Series.
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> > > If you're the greatest closer of alltime, you close out those
> > > situations.
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> > > HoF, yes. Greatest Ever, no way.<<
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> > > That's a very small sample volume there.
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> > If someone is to be considered the "greatest ever" they perform well
> > in the biggest games.
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> > That's just a given, no matter what the s****t.
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> I believe he is and the stats suggest he is as well.
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> Name =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Saves =A0 =A0 =A0 BS
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=A0 =A0 =A0BS Ratio
> John Franco =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 424 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 39 =A0 =A0
=A0=
 =A011.87
> Trevor Hoffman =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0525 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 64 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
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=A09.20
> Mariano Rivera =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 444 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 59 =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0 =
8.53
> Jonathan Papelbon =A0 =A0 74 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 10 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 8.40
> Billy Wagner =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0358 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 55 =A0
=A0=
 =A0 =A0 7.51
> Lee Smith =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0478 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 75
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 7.37
> Troy Percival =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0324 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 53 =A0
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=A0 =A0 =A0 7.11
> Dennis Eckersley =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0390 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A067 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
6.82=

> Francisco Rodriquez =A0147 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A026 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A06.65
> JJ Putz =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 87 =A0
=A0=
 =A0 =A017 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 6.12
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> Franco's ratio is better but he has 100 more saves and played on far
> better teams than Hoffman. =A0I don't generally hear Franco's name come
> up in this discussion. =A0It is generally just about Rivera and Eckersly
> with a little bit of Lee Smith mixed in. =A0The numbers clearly show
> that Hoffman is the best closer.

You toss up a stat ranking  ten in BS ratio which lists
Hoffie as 9th as proof of best all time?
The internet is a very strange place indeed.

ScottW