Re: Let the Trevor ba****ng begin

"ScottW" <ScottW48@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Apr 3, 1:19 pm, Dano <dcashm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 3, 11:10 am, "Kurgan Gringioni." <kgringi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 3, 7:33 am, "Jolly Rogers" <jollyrog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > "Kurgan Gringioni." <kgringi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >> HoF, yes.
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> > > greatest closer of all time? No way. He hasn't performed well in the
> > > biggest games. He's got the most saves, but doesn't do well in
playoff
> > > games. Career for postseason is 1 wins 2 losses, 3.46 ERA, 4 saves.
> > > Also did poorly in last year's ender vs. the Rockies which was
> > > basically a playoff game. His playoff ERA is Got rocked in the
AllStar
> > > showdown vs. Mariano Rivera which was basically a playoff game since
> > > it determines home field advantage for the World Series.
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> > > If you're the greatest closer of alltime, you close out those
> > > situations.
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> > > HoF, yes. Greatest Ever, no way.<<
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> > > That's a very small sample volume there.
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> > If someone is to be considered the "greatest ever" they perform well
> > in the biggest games.
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> > That's just a given, no matter what the s****t.
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> I believe he is and the stats suggest he is as well.
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> Name Saves BS BS Ratio
> John Franco 424 39 11.87
> Trevor Hoffman 525 64 9.20
> Mariano Rivera 444 59 8.53
> Jonathan Papelbon 74 10 8.40
> Billy Wagner 358 55 7.51
> Lee Smith 478 75 7.37
> Troy Percival 324 53 7.11
> Dennis Eckersley 390 67 6.82
> Francisco Rodriquez 147 26 6.65
> JJ Putz 87 17 6.12
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> Franco's ratio is better but he has 100 more saves and played on far
> better teams than Hoffman. I don't generally hear Franco's name come
> up in this discussion. It is generally just about Rivera and Eckersly
> with a little bit of Lee Smith mixed in. The numbers clearly show
> that Hoffman is the best closer.

You toss up a stat ranking  ten in BS ratio which lists
Hoffie as 9th as proof of best all time?
The internet is a very strange place indeed.

ScottW

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Um... look at the list a bit closer.

He's not 9th... he's second, behind only Franco in Save/BS ratio (# of
Saves 
to # of Blown Saves)
Basically, he has averaged 9.2 saves for every one he's blown over his 
career.

Best to understand the issue at hand before denigrating the person putting

it forth.