"Winn" <marty.winn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Apr 18, 11:20 pm, Seapig <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 7:01 pm, Chris <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:27:20 -0800, Hoover <Hoo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > >There is a silver lining to last night's 22-inning debacle.
>>
>> > >This game so Dramatically revealed that all the Pitching
>> > >in the world will NOT win champion****ps without at least
>> > >a little hitting to go with it.
>>
>> > >Kevin Towers and Sandy Alderson have to be looking
>> > >now at trading some prospects for a Bat that will make
>> > >a difference. That's why you stockpile young talent.
>>
>> > >Hoover
>>
>> > We have more hits than Arizona thus far into the season and they've
>> > scored 43 more runs than we have. Unless the first 16 games have been
>> > some sort of weird statistical freak show that will balance out a
>> > whole bunch more in the long run, our season is already over. A pace
>> > for 500 runs over the course of a season is not fixable with one or
>> > two players being picked up here and there. Edmonds, Hairston,
>> > McAnulty, Clark, and Iguchi are totally worthless.
>>
>> You're writing off a team that's 8-8? I think you're new around here,
>> but have you ever gone by a different name, like maybe Iceberg or
>> ScottW?
>>
>> > The owners promised they would be competitive and thanks to a weak
>> > division the last few years, we've been that. Those days are gone.
>>
>> Those days have been gone for a few years. The West was the best
>> division in the league last year, and the Pads were still competitive
>> - they won more games last year than in any season since '98.
>>
>> > We
>> > have great starting pitching, better than average relief pitching,
but
>> > no speed and certainly no power. There's no sense of excitement in
the
>> > stands when we come to the plate. We're used to hoping that we pitch
a
>> > shutout every five games and can scrap maybe four runs per game when
>> > we don't.
>>
>> > No pitcher fears us, and that's why we have so many hits (singles).
>> > There's no one in our lineup a pitcher wants to avoid. There's no 98
>> > Greg Vaughn. There's no 96 Ken Caminiti. When's the last time we had
a
>> > guy hit even 35 home runs? We go nuts when our cleanup guy hits 100
>> > RBI's, which is just pedestrian for that spot nowadays.
>>
>> It's pedestrian if you play half your games in one of the new
>> bandboxes, like in Cincinnati or Philadelphia, but when Petco Park is
>> home, hitting 30 HRs and driving in 100 runs, like Gonzalez did last
>> year, is plenty impressive.
>>
>> I'm kind of a broken record on this topic, but as long as the Padres
>> are calling Petco home, the offense is never going to be as bad as
>> everybody thinks it is, and the pitching is never going to be as good
>> as everybody thinks it is.
>>
>> > I love pitching, but when you can't easily post a healthy winning
>> > record with a team era around 3.00, major changes must be made.
>>
>> > So far into this young season, the 08 Padres are just plain boring
and
>> > painful to watch...at least at the plate.
>
> I want to second what Seapig says. It's like a reverse Coors Field
> effect. Everyone thought the Rockies hitters were awesome and the
> pitchers stunk. You have to apply context. Petco is a horrible
> hitters park. The pitching is not as good as you think and the
> hitting is better. You've got to look at the Park Factors when
> evaluating your hitters and pitchers. Adrian Gonzalez was really good
> last year and Webb may have deserved that Cy Young over Peavy.
>
> Also hits and batting average are a poor way to judge a teams
> offense. Extra base hits and walks are terribly im****tant to scoring
> runs (both of these are much harder to do at Petco than almost
> anywhere, certainly than Phoenix). You almost can't hope to score as
> many runs as the DBacks.
>
> ****ning the Light,
> Marty Winn
And since the introduction of the infamous "humidor" at Coors Field, PETCO
Park is now a much more extreme pitcher's park than Coors is an extreme
hitters park.
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