On Apr 21, 8:10=A0pm, Seapig <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 21, 10:22=A0am, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 20, 7:07=A0pm, Seapig <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 20, 4:15=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On Apr 19, 7:10=A0pm, Seapig <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On Apr 19, 4:43=A0pm, "ScottW" <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > "Seapig" <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > On Apr 18, 9:39 pm, Chris <> wrote:
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> > > > > > :I'd
> > > > > > :rather see them build a good team - one that can play
anywhere.=
=A0The
> > > > > > :jury is still out on whether this team fits that description.
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> > > > > > Do you think we should start with a team that can play at home
> > > > > > first.....and then worry about anywhere else?
> > > > > > Just a thought.
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> > > > > I don't know why they would put one consideration ahead of the
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er.
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> > > > Simply because half your games are played in that one park.
> > > > Tayloring a team that can play everywhere sounds great,
> > > > but cheap-ass Moores struggles to payroll a team that
> > > > can play at home, let alone anywhere.
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> > > > So given the fact that the Pads are payroll crippled and will
> > > > never dominate everywhere, they should at least strive to
> > > > be competitive at home and accept that at some road
> > > > parks that will be to their disadvantage while at some others
> > > > it won't.
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> > > > > I don't see the point in custom building a team for Petco,
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> > > > =A0Cuz we play there a factor of at least 9 times more than
> > > > any other park. =A0Is it really that complicated to comprehend?
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> > > That's why you don't tailor it for any other park either. =A0"9
times
> > > more than any other park" still only adds up to half the games.
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> > > I'm not saying to ignore it altogether; if you're looking at two
> > > players of similar ability, sure, go with the one who best fits your
> > > park. =A0I just think it's silly to prefer an inferior player who
has
> > > "Petco skills", when he's just going to be an inferior player when
you=
> > > go out on the road.
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> > =A0Repeat after me....
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> > =A0 ALL ROAD PARKS ARE NOT ALIKE.
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> All road parks are not alike. =A0Now, it's your turn (you might want to
> click your heels together for this one):
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> THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME.
Where we play more games by far than anywhere else.
If you're going to taylor a team to any parks, that is the one.
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> > > > > if the
> > > > > advantage gained in half the games is offset by a disadvantage
in =
the
> > > > > other half.
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> > > > =A0Why would you act like all the road parks are the same and
> > > > all would put a Petco team at a disadvantage?
> > > > Fact is that all the road parks are different, and the Pads play
at
> > > > most 9 road games in any opponents park as opposed to 80+
> > > > at Petco.
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> > > Road parks are different, but one thing they have in common is that
> > > none of them are Petco. =A0Petco is an extreme pitchers' park - some
> > > places are less different than it than others, but there's not
really
> > > any place like it.
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> > > Whitey Herzog got a lot of credit for tailoring his Cardinals teams
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> > > his park in the eighties - a fast team for a big, symmetrical,
> > > artificial turf stadium.
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> > So tell me...what parks are designed for slow teams with no power?
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> None of them; those are bad things everywhere. =A0Which is why you want
> to consider those factors when putting together a team that can play
> anywhere. =A0This isn't that complicated.
Complications arise when salary limits make "the team that
can play anywhere" a pipe dream. Fun to smoke but
doesn't get much accomplished.
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> > >=A0But half the stadiums in the league fit that
> > > description back then, so he could play Whiteyball in a lot of
> > > places. =A0You can't really do that with Petcoball.
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> > =A0So you want a team that can win on the road but not at home.
> > I'm sure the season ticket holders are gonna love that.
>
> No, if I have a team that can win on the road, I'll take my chances
> that they're going to do okay at home also.
I'm the reverse. I'll take a team that can win at home and
do ok on the road. My team will kick ass over your team.
> =A0It's not like they're
> playing against teams that are built for Petco.
It's not like they will be built for anywhere and will
suffer the lack of that advantage facing
anyone everywhere.
>
> > > > If your home park puts you at a disadvantage, no road park
> > > > advantage is gonna come close to overcoming that.
>
> > > They won more games on the road than at home in 2006; it didn't keep
> > > them from winning the division.
>
> > It didn't help them go anywhere in the playoffs.
>
> If they can just put together a team that only wins at home, they'll
> never have to worry about losing a playoff game again.'
If they can win at home and do ok on the road and secure
home field advantage they'll never have to lose a
playoff series.
>
> > >=A0The biggest home field advantage
> > > they've had since moving to Petco was in 2005, when they won ten
more
> > > games at home than they did on the road. =A0That was the year they
had=
> > > their worst overall record.
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> > =A0 What a crock. Relative suckitude is not a worthy argument.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by that.
One year of the worst team in Petco history which is brief
doesn't prove squat.
> =A0Does it explain why the one
> season they followed your "play well at home, worry about the road
> later" approach, they had their worst season since the move?
I think it was random results. In '05 they were still figuring out
Petco.
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> > > > >=A0If you've got guys who can play anywhere, well, Petco is
> > > > > part of anywhere.
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> > > > Lol....exactly when do you expect John "tightwad" Moores
> > > > to fork up for players of that caliber?
>
> > > That tightwad has put a team on the field that has finished above
.500=
> > > every season since they moved to Petco Park.
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> > =A0 I guess that is impressive....for the Padres.
>
> Yes, it is.
Atlanta, NewYork, Boston etc are unimpressed.
>
> > >=A0If the players haven't
> > > been well-suited to their home park,
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> > =A0Try not mix strategy arguments with reality as you tend to
reinforce
> > my points.
>
> I know you don't like to let reality get in the way of your arguments,
> but I kind of like to let reality shape my opinions.
Reality is we play 9x more games at Petco than any other park.
ScottW
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