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> > On Apr 21, 10:22=A0am, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 20, 7:07=A0pm, Seapig <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On Apr 20, 4:15=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On Apr 19, 7:10=A0pm, Seapig <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > On Apr 19, 4:43=A0pm, "ScottW" <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > On Apr 18, 9:39 pm, Chris <> wrote:
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> > > > > > > :I'd
> > > > > > > :rather see them build a good team - one that can play
anywher=
e. =A0The
> > > > > > > :jury is still out on whether this team fits that
description.=
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> > > > > > > Do you think we should start with a team that can play at
home=
> > > > > > > first.....and then worry about anywhere else?
> > > > > > > Just a thought.
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> > > > > > I don't know why they would put one consideration ahead of the
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ther.
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> > > > > Simply because half your games are played in that one park.
> > > > > Tayloring a team that can play everywhere sounds great,
> > > > > but cheap-ass Moores struggles to payroll a team that
> > > > > can play at home, let alone anywhere.
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> > > > > So given the fact that the Pads are payroll crippled and will
> > > > > never dominate everywhere, they should at least strive to
> > > > > be competitive at home and accept that at some road
> > > > > parks that will be to their disadvantage while at some others
> > > > > it won't.
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> > > > > > I don't see the point in custom building a team for Petco,
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> > > > > =A0Cuz we play there a factor of at least 9 times more than
> > > > > any other park. =A0Is it really that complicated to comprehend?
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> > > > That's why you don't tailor it for any other park either. =A0"9
time=
s
> > > > more than any other park" still only adds up to half the games.
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> > > > I'm not saying to ignore it altogether; if you're looking at two
> > > > players of similar ability, sure, go with the one who best fits
your=
> > > > park. =A0I just think it's silly to prefer an inferior player who
ha=
s
> > > > "Petco skills", when he's just going to be an inferior player when
y=
ou
> > > > go out on the road.
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> > > =A0Repeat after me....
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> > > =A0 ALL ROAD PARKS ARE NOT ALIKE.
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> > All road parks are not alike. =A0Now, it's your turn (you might want
to
> > click your heels together for this one):
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> > THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME.
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> =A0 Where we play more games by far than anywhere else.
> If you're going to taylor a team to any parks, that is the one.
That should shut up all the people who have been arguing that they
should tailor the team to the Polo Grounds.
> > > > > > if the
> > > > > > advantage gained in half the games is offset by a disadvantage
i=
n the
> > > > > > other half.
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> > > > > =A0Why would you act like all the road parks are the same and
> > > > > all would put a Petco team at a disadvantage?
> > > > > Fact is that all the road parks are different, and the Pads play
a=
t
> > > > > most 9 road games in any opponents park as opposed to 80+
> > > > > at Petco.
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> > > > Road parks are different, but one thing they have in common is
that
> > > > none of them are Petco. =A0Petco is an extreme pitchers' park -
some=
> > > > places are less different than it than others, but there's not
reall=
y
> > > > any place like it.
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> > > > Whitey Herzog got a lot of credit for tailoring his Cardinals
teams =
to
> > > > his park in the eighties - a fast team for a big, symmetrical,
> > > > artificial turf stadium.
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> > > So tell me...what parks are designed for slow teams with no power?
>
> > None of them; those are bad things everywhere. =A0Which is why you
want
> > to consider those factors when putting together a team that can play
> > anywhere. =A0This isn't that complicated.
>
> Complications arise when salary limits make "the team that
> can play anywhere" a pipe dream. =A0Fun to smoke but
> doesn't get much accomplished.
I'm not talking about putting together the '27 Yankees. I'm talking
about putting together the best team you can, given your
circumstances. If you win more than you lose on the road, I consider
that being able to play anywhere.
> > > >=A0But half the stadiums in the league fit that
> > > > description back then, so he could play Whiteyball in a lot of
> > > > places. =A0You can't really do that with Petcoball.
>
> > > =A0So you want a team that can win on the road but not at home.
> > > I'm sure the season ticket holders are gonna love that.
>
> > No, if I have a team that can win on the road, I'll take my chances
> > that they're going to do okay at home also.
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> I'm the reverse. =A0I'll take a team that can win at home and
> do ok on the road. =A0My team will kick ass over your team.
Well, if the Padres played against some alternate reality Padres, I
guess that game would probably be played at Petco. But, those two
teams wouldn't exist in the same universe, so your boast is empty.
> > =A0It's not like they're
> > playing against teams that are built for Petco.
>
> =A0It's not like they will be built for anywhere and will
> suffer the lack of that advantage facing
> anyone everywhere.
Well, sure, if you put it that way.
> > > > > If your home park puts you at a disadvantage, no road park
> > > > > advantage is gonna come close to overcoming that.
>
> > > > They won more games on the road than at home in 2006; it didn't
keep=
> > > > them from winning the division.
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> > > It didn't help them go anywhere in the playoffs.
>
> > If they can just put together a team that only wins at home, they'll
> > never have to worry about losing a playoff game again.'
>
> =A0If they can win at home and do ok on the road and secure
> home field advantage they'll never have to lose a
> playoff series.
Let me see if I have this straight. With the same budget limitations
that make putting together a team that can play anywhere a "pipe
dream", you're going to build a team for one park. Yet when you take
them out of the one place they're built for, they're still going to be
able to win enough games to earn home field advantage. Good luck with
that.
> > > >=A0The biggest home field advantage
> > > > they've had since moving to Petco was in 2005, when they won ten
mor=
e
> > > > games at home than they did on the road. =A0That was the year they
h=
ad
> > > > their worst overall record.
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> > > =A0 What a crock. Relative suckitude is not a worthy argument.
>
> > I'm not sure what you mean by that.
>
> =A0 One year of the worst team in Petco history which is brief
> doesn't prove squat.
To clarify: they were the worst team in Petco history, but not the
worst *Petco team*. They were only one win shy of having their best
home record there that year. They were the worst team because they
sucked on the road. Playing well at home and sucking on the road was
good for 82 wins. That's not going to get you home field advantage in
the playoffs.
> > =A0Does it explain why the one
> > season they followed your "play well at home, worry about the road
> > later" approach, they had their worst season since the move?
>
> =A0 I think it was random results. In '05 they were still figuring out
> Petco.
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> > > > > >=A0If you've got guys who can play anywhere, well, Petco is
> > > > > > part of anywhere.
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> > > > > Lol....exactly when do you expect John "tightwad" Moores
> > > > > to fork up for players of that caliber?
>
> > > > That tightwad has put a team on the field that has finished above
.5=
00
> > > > every season since they moved to Petco Park.
>
> > > =A0 I guess that is impressive....for the Padres.
>
> > Yes, it is.
>
> Atlanta, NewYork, Boston etc are unimpressed.
You need to decide whether payroll matters or not. If you're going to
use it as a reason why they can't build a team that can play anywhere,
you can't really belittle their accomplishments by comparing them to
teams that are outspending them by a wide margin.
> > > >=A0If the players haven't
> > > > been well-suited to their home park,
>
> > > =A0Try not mix strategy arguments with reality as you tend to
reinforc=
e
> > > my points.
>
> > I know you don't like to let reality get in the way of your arguments,
> > but I kind of like to let reality shape my opinions.
>
> =A0 Reality is we play 9x more games at Petco than any other park.
The Padres will play games in 19 places this year. 18 of them aren't
Petco Park. That's 94.7 percent of venues that aren't Petco Park.
See, I can spin the facts just as ridiculously in the other
direction. Neither of us is fooling anybody - they play half their
games at home, and half away from home. Actually, last season they
played a tiny bit more than half away from home - if you're going to
go with the win at home plan, you'd better be good at winning coin
flips.
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