On Apr 23, 1:12=A0am, Seapig <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 22, 10:57=A0am, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
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> > > THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME.
>
> > =A0 Where we play more games by far than anywhere else.
> > If you're going to taylor a team to any parks, that is the one.
>
> That should shut up all the people who have been arguing that they
> should tailor the team to the Polo Grounds.
Care to try again?
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>
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>
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> > > > > > > if the
> > > > > > > advantage gained in half the games is offset by a
disadvantage=
in the
> > > > > > > other half.
>
> > > > > > =A0Why would you act like all the road parks are the same and
> > > > > > all would put a Petco team at a disadvantage?
> > > > > > Fact is that all the road parks are different, and the Pads
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at
> > > > > > most 9 road games in any opponents park as opposed to 80+
> > > > > > at Petco.
>
> > > > > Road parks are different, but one thing they have in common is
tha=
t
> > > > > none of them are Petco. =A0Petco is an extreme pitchers' park -
so=
me
> > > > > places are less different than it than others, but there's not
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lly
> > > > > any place like it.
>
> > > > > Whitey Herzog got a lot of credit for tailoring his Cardinals
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s to
> > > > > his park in the eighties - a fast team for a big, symmetrical,
> > > > > artificial turf stadium.
>
> > > > So tell me...what parks are designed for slow teams with no power?
>
> > > None of them; those are bad things everywhere. =A0Which is why you
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t
> > > to consider those factors when putting together a team that can play
> > > anywhere. =A0This isn't that complicated.
>
> > Complications arise when salary limits make "the team that
> > can play anywhere" a pipe dream. =A0Fun to smoke but
> > doesn't get much accomplished.
>
> I'm not talking about putting together the '27 Yankees. =A0I'm talking
> about putting together the best team you can, given your
> cir***stances. =A0If you win more than you lose on the road, I consider
> that being able to play anywhere.
Interesting distortion of language but no matter,
your consideration does not make it so.
>
> > > > >=A0But half the stadiums in the league fit that
> > > > > description back then, so he could play Whiteyball in a lot of
> > > > > places. =A0You can't really do that with Petcoball.
>
> > > > =A0So you want a team that can win on the road but not at home.
> > > > I'm sure the season ticket holders are gonna love that.
>
> > > No, if I have a team that can win on the road, I'll take my chances
> > > that they're going to do okay at home also.
>
> > I'm the reverse. =A0I'll take a team that can win at home and
> > do ok on the road. =A0My team will kick ass over your team.
>
> Well, if the Padres played against some alternate reality Padres, I
> guess that game would probably be played at Petco. =A0But, those two
> teams wouldn't exist in the same universe, so your boast is empty.
Since Moores won't pony up for a team that is really good anywhere,
let alone everywhere, you're right. Boasting of a Padres team that
can win at home rings hollow.
>
> > > =A0It's not like they're
> > > playing against teams that are built for Petco.
>
> > =A0It's not like they will be built for anywhere and will
> > suffer the lack of that advantage facing
> > anyone everywhere.
>
> Well, sure, if you put it that way.
>
> > > > > > If your home park puts you at a disadvantage, no road park
> > > > > > advantage is gonna come close to overcoming that.
>
> > > > > They won more games on the road than at home in 2006; it didn't
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ep
> > > > > them from winning the division.
>
> > > > It didn't help them go anywhere in the playoffs.
>
> > > If they can just put together a team that only wins at home, they'll
> > > never have to worry about losing a playoff game again.'
>
> > =A0If they can win at home and do ok on the road and secure
> > home field advantage they'll never have to lose a
> > playoff series.
>
> Let me see if I have this straight. =A0With the same budget limitations
> that make putting together a team that can play anywhere a "pipe
> dream", you're going to build a team for one park.
More specifically, I'm gonna build a team for the one park where they
play 80+ games and take my chances in every other unique park where
they will play at most, 9 games in any one.
> =A0Yet when you take
> them out of the one place they're built for, they're still going to be
> able to win enough games to earn home field advantage. =A0Good luck with
> that.
Far better chance than being good in a fraction of the road parks
which
even if they can make it too 50% amounts to only 1/4 of their games
while being downright bad in the park they play half their games.
>
> > > > >=A0The biggest home field advantage
> > > > > they've had since moving to Petco was in 2005, when they won ten
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ore
> > > > > games at home than they did on the road. =A0That was the year
they=
had
> > > > > their worst overall record.
>
> > > > =A0 What a crock. Relative suckitude is not a worthy argument.
>
> > > I'm not sure what you mean by that.
>
> > =A0 One year of the worst team in Petco history which is brief
> > doesn't prove squat.
>
> To clarify: they were the worst team in Petco history, but not the
> worst *Petco team*. =A0They were only one win shy of having their best
> home record there that year. =A0They were the worst team because they
> sucked on the road. =A0Playing well at home and sucking on the road was
> good for 82 wins. =A0That's not going to get you home field advantage in
> the playoffs.
Obviously you can't suck half the time to have any chance.
Even when you don't suck you won't win 'em all or even
lose 'em all when you do suck. In the west at times it is
a game of relative suckitude. That said, sucking at home
will be deadly. The idea that a team is ill equipped athletically
to play in any of the many road parks while capable at Petco
is simply incomprehensible to me.
I'd suspect Moores opted for a bus to travel that year
as better odds than a team that was flawed in a way that
affected every road game.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > =A0Does it explain why the one
> > > season they followed your "play well at home, worry about the road
> > > later" approach, they had their worst season since the move?
>
> > =A0 I think it was random results. In '05 they were still figuring out
> > Petco.
>
> > > > > > >=A0If you've got guys who can play anywhere, well, Petco is
> > > > > > > part of anywhere.
>
> > > > > > Lol....exactly when do you expect John "tightwad" Moores
> > > > > > to fork up for players of that caliber?
>
> > > > > That tightwad has put a team on the field that has finished
above =
..500
> > > > > every season since they moved to Petco Park.
>
> > > > =A0 I guess that is impressive....for the Padres.
>
> > > Yes, it is.
>
> > Atlanta, NewYork, Boston etc are unimpressed.
>
> You need to decide whether payroll matters or not.
Yeah...ok...let me think...yes it matters....to our chances
which remain few and far between.
> =A0If you're going to
> use it as a reason why they can't build a team that can play anywhere,
> you can't really belittle their accomplishments by comparing them to
> teams that are outspending them by a wide margin.
As a fan I can do exactly that. When they start giving champion****p
trophies and banners and rings for wins/payroll dollar you let me
know.
ScottW
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